NamelessBaroness wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by "out in the cold."
I think what deidrekim
means is that most of those "professional" cosplayers that do make a living from cosplay alone are those who cosplay anime, as both her search results (and mine) indicate. It's the non-anime cosplayer that's passed over when those looking to hire someone to cosplay for them full-time, and be paid for it (handsomely, in come cases), are doing the hiring for said professional cosplayer.
NamelessBaroness wrote:How do you expect the professionals to affect us happy amateurs in a negative way?
Again, it comes down to the businesses hiring only anime cosplayers for professional jobs. In most of those search results, all they talk about are the businesses looking for anime cosplayers to portray a character from one of their video games, anime series or mangas, etc. to help promote that business. If you cosplay anime, you've got a chance to get your foot in the door. If you cosplay 'Doctor Who', 'Star Trek' (pick a version), 'Farscape', 'X-Files', 'Battlestar Galactica' (Classic and New) and such, you don't have much of a chance (and sadly thanks to that "double-standard" us guys have lesser of a chance at it than the girls do).
The one exception is if you happen to belong to a good cosplay group like the Star Wars 501st Legion (a.k.a. the 501st Battalion), which is an international fan-based organization dedicated to the construction and wearing of exceedingly screen-accurate replicas of mostly Imperial garb (Stormtrooper armor, Sith robes, Clone Troopers, etc.). But they also do Star Wars universe civilian clothing, Jedi robes, etc., and they get paid very handsomely to make appearances. (And according to Adam Savage - yes, the former Mythbuster who is a member of that group - they're harder to get into than getting a job at IBM... i.e. you have to know someone on the inside that's going to recommend and sponsor you.)
NamelessBaroness wrote:It doesn't really matter to me how many professional cosplayers there are out it the world; I'm still going to enjoy the challenge and creative outlet of making my own outfits.
I don't think any number of professional cosplayers will stop the rest of us fans that enjoy cosplaying for the fun of it.
NamelessBaroness wrote:I'm still going to carry warmth in my heart for each time little kids squee and run up to me chattering a mile a minute (I cosplay way more than just Who, lots of cartoons).
I'm still going to laugh in joy and jump up and down when someone recognizes an obscure character that I made, because I love them.
And get "glomped"!
I've had my fair share of glomping in years past, both in my 'ST: Voyager' jumpsuit and one of my 'Doctor Who' personnas. One was from a nice (if dusty) zombie girl that looked as if she could have just come from the set of 'The Walking Dead'. And yes, every glomp (regardless of how old the glomper was) always put a smile on my face.
I think the biggest smile (and watery eyes) I got was when I visited my mother in Tucson, AZ some years ago (when I was more mobile than I am now). She took my wife and I to Old Tucson Studios where she works part-time and where they filmed many western TV shows and movies: John Wayne's "McLintock!", Kurt Russell's "Tombstone", shows like 'Gunsmoke', 'Little House On The Prairie' - too many to list here. Just to indulge my inner, younger cowboy self, I put on my black jeans, a black shirt, and threw on a black cowboy hat, and stuffed a couple of "cards" I'd printed on card stock from my mother's computer into my shirt pocket. While walking around the studios' dusty streets, an elderly lady passing by started singing - just loud enough for me to hear - "Have gun will travel reads the card of a man..."
So I stopped and said a pleasant 'Hello' to her and asked if she would like one of my cards. Her eyes widened and she said "You don't!" Well, I did. I pulled out one of the "Have Gun Will Travel" cards that I'd printed (from an image found on Google) and gave it to her. She hugged me so tightly because it was one of her late husband's favorite shows (and they'd filmed at least one episode of the series at Old Tucson). She had her friend take a photo of me with her so she could put it next to the one of her husband. I kissed her cheek and thanked her for recognizing my feeble attempt to recreate Paladin's trail clothing. She said she thought I'd done the late Richard Boone (Paladin) proud, and the photo she'd had taken, and the card, would be like a shrine for her husband. (I was in my early 50s, and I still almost cried when I hugged her again before we parted ways.)
So it's not only the fun you have with cosplay (of any kind), but it's also the joy that you can - even unexpectedly - bring to others that fills you with that warmth.
NamelessBaroness wrote:I'm still going to happily pose for pictures if someone asks.
I'll still happily talk about how I made my costumes to anyone interested (and in the case of my family members, those not interested!)
Ditto, here, Baroness
. As a professional model-maker friend of mine says "The biggest secret I have to model-building is, there are no secrets. If I know something you're asking about, then I'll tell you about it."
And on this note, the one thing you have to watch out for are those "Stitch Nazis" who will ask you about your costume, and then proceed to tell you everything wrong with it. I ran into one of those at Timegate 2013 (and so did quite a few from what I'd heard at that Con). Granted, he was dressed out as the ultimate 11th Doctor from Series 5 - makes me wonder how much he spent on that costume because it really was first rate, including the wig - but I didn't need to listen to him pick apart my 2nd Doctor costume that was made from painstaking make-your-eyes-bleed staring at every publicity photo and steady, clear screen grab of Pat Troughton in costume to get that coat as accurate as possible.
And when someone like Colin Baker passes you on his way to one of the panels and says "Look at you! That's one of the best Pat Troughton looks I've seen!" (this coming from the man who worked with Troughton), it really rubs you the wrong way when some Stitch Nazi picks your costume apart. (This is when it pays to have a decent "Stop All" waiting in the wings. When that Stitch Nazi started on me, I simply put a hand up to stop him and paraphrased Troughton's line from "The Three Doctors" when the Brig started questioning him: "It's no use your talking to me about all this, my dear fellow. As far as I'm concerned, you
haven't happened yet. Don't you see? I'm just a temporal anomaly." And then I walked away leaving him standing there fuming because he couldn't continue on attacking my costume.)
NamelessBaroness wrote:I'm still going to hang out with other fans and have fun!
Which is, I think, what most of us do when we attend Cons: we have fun with other fans.
NamelessBaroness wrote:Just because someone out there is getting paid, in some way, for their cosplay, doesn't make mine any lesser.
. No one is saying it does. If anything it makes your cosplay more special because it's something you like doing and want to do so you can bring joy to fans (especially those little "ankle- and knee-biters"... like my grandson). I'm sure you don't ask people to pay you before you let them take a photo of or with you. (Some of those professional cosplayers charge up to $30 or more for a photo - either of them alone or a selfie.) Some even charge the same for a pre-printed photo with their autograph on it. However from that aspect it only makes people like you look even better to the fans because you let them take your photo for free.
That's got to mean a lot to some little kid that wants a photo with you, but his parents are on a tight budget and probably didn't pay some utility bill just so they could attend that convention. Now, having to put out another $30 for a photo? I've been there - not paid the electric and gas bills once just to go to a Con. My daughter (now approaching 27) was just 4 at the time, and she was thrilled to have her photo taken with a Sailor Moon. How sad would that have been for us if we had to tell her that we couldn't afford an extra $30 for that photo because we only had enough money for the Con tickets, hotel room (for one night), and still be able to buy her something small from the Dealers' Room and get something to eat?
NamelessBaroness wrote:It's not a zero sum game; there's more than enough awesome and fun to go around for everyone.
And if they're "professionals," they're there working, anyway. It's another day on the job for them. Who needs that stress? I'm here for the joy of it.
Well, some of those professionals that get paid over $100k a year probably like that level of income for doing something they love, which is cosplay. (It was Mark Twain who said, "Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life."
Maybe some of those professional cosplayers look at it that way; they love doing what they're doing, the pay is excellent, so their stress "may" be minimal.)
For most of us, cosplay is a hobby. We buy what we have to for our costumes, sometimes finding bargains on so-close-enough-items-that-you-can't-tell-it's-not-the-real-item pieces, and sometimes having to fork out a couple of hundred dollars for a replica coat or shirt (or having one made) because, well, we're stuck and can't find that close-enough piece off the rack. Yeah, we might have to save up for a few weeks (or months) before we can buy that replica, or have one made if a ready-made replica isn't available, but we still do it because we love doing it.
Would we like to get paid for doing it? I'm sure a lot of us would, but does that mean we're going to stop doing it because we don't get paid, or can't land one of those great paid-cosplay jobs? Not on your regenerations!
Now, having a great costume and presence at many Cons could get you noticed, and someone may want to hire you to be one of those "Booth Models" at their business stand. If that happens, wonderful! That Con could be paying for itself, and you could find yourself being asked to attend another Con with that business, and not only get paid to be a Booth Model, but also have your Con admission paid, and possibly travel and hotel fees paid. But if that never happens, then you're no worse off than you've been before, and things are just as normal as they've ever been.
So I think deidrekim's
original comment - which was very specific about amateurs:
deidrekim wrote:...like most people on this board...
was referring to the businesses over-focusing on anime cosplayers, and not giving any attention to 'Doctor Who' cosplayers. (I look at it this way: it's the businesses' loss.)